Oct 172012

DPAC want to make it very clear that we  are not and will never be involved with Atos except as challengers to their process which leaves 73 people per week dead through taking their own lives or through being disabled /ill and which leaves other without income. Nor do we support either Atos or Capita contracts for carrying out PIP assessments.

DPAC are seeking legal advice and will be challenging ATOS claims in their PIP tender that they have consulted with us about PIP. Of course maybe they mean they read our leaflets when we’ve been protesting around the country both inside and outside their offices. Maybe their CEO has been suffering from hallucinations.

Also we have not been involved in any meaningful dialogue with DWP over the Independent Living Fund’s future.

This is what ATOS said untruthfully in their tender

Atos has a successful record of engagement with Claimant Representative Groups (CRG), Special Interest and Pressure Groups who represent claimants affected by sickness and/or disability, and we have experience and understanding of the challenges and opportunities that this presents. We make sure that we have clear objectives, and a solid understanding of the engagement intent and messaging. 

CRGs are important both as representative groups of claimants with
expertise on specific disability issues and as the first port of call
for claimant concerns with service delivery. Establishing relationships based on honesty and trust will help Atos and the Authority to improve overall understanding of PIP across a wide range of groups, and will feed into continuous service improvement. 

We engage with 

  • Citizens Advice, 
  • Mencap,
  • MIND, 
  • Disability Rights UK, 
  • Macmillan Cancer Support, 
  • SENSE, 
  • Rethink, 
  • RNIB, 
  • DPAC,
  • Northern Ireland Association for Mental Health, 
  • National Autistic Society and 
  • the Scottish Association of Mental Health

amongst others at a national level and regularly meet with
representatives at a local level to explain our role and discuss their
concerns. We currently have a database of more than 300 local CRGs for outbound communications.


There is also this from paragraph 7 on page 31

We currently pro-actively monitor websites and social media using the
expertise of our suppliers Big Mouth Media for mentions of Atos and
disability assessments, and we will extend this during PIP. These
on-line services are an opportunity for local and national engagement
with the Atos team, and for the general public to draw areas of concern
to our attention. 



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  12 Responses to “Lies, Damn Lies, ATOS and DWP”

  1. Just a heads everyone, the text above the dashed line is page 30

  2. you asked for proof that Article19* of the UNCHRDP
    is viewed as hard law!
    take a look. V
    CRPD is “hard law” – UK Parliament | MDAC

  3. Didn’t the Government do the very same thing when they brought in these re-assessments? In their papers they cited that they had consulted with many of the disability charity groups, and a lot of them denied any involvement with the consultation document. It seems as long as it’s for the Government or by the Government it’s alright to give out false information. I would like to see a challenge made to all these lies of the Government especially as the Atos was baned in the USA when it was discovered that the originator of the test blatently had it put together just to ‘get rid’ of the sick & disabled that the rich didn’t want around anymore. Isn’t it about time that something was put together. I’m sure a large contingent of disabled people en masse putting forward a case would make at the least the general public stand up and pay attention.

  4. They are devious and incompetent a dangerous combination.
    Also give lots of funds to the Tories. They deserve lynching.

  5. “Pro actively monitoring” – You mean the attempted closure of After Atos, Black Triangle and Carers Watch?.

    And now claiming DPAC’s involvement? The phrase, No Shame, springs easily to mind…

  6. We thought it was a coup to get ATOS to come and speak at our open meeting (Hear Us, Croydon’s mental health service user group). They showed a powerpoint that our service users considered ‘far too long and wordy, ‘overly academic’ and ‘designed to show ATOS as a successful business model’. The lady refused to answer most questions as not being appropriate and passed the blame off to the DWP, when she said she was annoyed no one from the DWP was in attendance a member of the audience shood up and said there were four members of DWP staff in attendance (in their own time), picked her argument apart and said ATOS hid behind the DWP and vague government statements and that job centres were increasingly dealing with people they know they will be unable to help and are not fit to work. Attendees then split into focus groups, including job centre and DWP staff but ATOS refused to participate any longer.
    So yes I would say they engage on a local level and establish relationships based on honesty and trust. bless ’em (her opinion of our service users expressed afterwards sadly didn’t get into the minutes – and we were particularly well behaved on that day when most people predicted a lynching)

  7. i’m pleased to hear it….as to side with those i regard as criminals with blood on their hands goes against everything this fight means to us the disabled and future generations…how many more have to die….those in goverment and the rest involved in this will hear us and learn the hard that we are human beings not names and numbers on forms….they must learn the hard way as they are to stupid to learn any other way…
    regards…sandra….we dont side with the enemies.

  8. What a nerve.I wonder how many other groups whose presence on the list is at least dubious.

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